FactGrid talk:The Bible & Quran Project

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The "humans in the Bible" Item:Q8811 data set, consistency and double records

The following numbers (based on Property:P2 + Item:Q8811 searches) should give an overview:

We used anglophone web-sources to gather names and information. The different spellings of names were a problem here, another problem is the lack of identifiers in the source texts. We set textual identifiers wherever possible: the fathers' and the mothers' names, a geographical marker or a position (as in "Jesus of Nazareth, son of Joseph and Maria" - the identification which is also used in the source texts).

How conclusive is the FactGrid list? It is probably over-size as we will have spelling variants within the sets and people who could be merged with s stricter reading of the sources. It will, however, be impossible to arrive at a final list. The biblical texts do not provide the necessary data for mergers to do (information that states that this is a character already mentioned) nor are they free of contradictions. The different lists of the 12 disciples of Jesus are a prominent case. They agree on the number 12 but not on the names. We can follow the statements of the total number 12 and merge the disagreeing name references or we state the names as individual persons adding up to 13 in total. The latter in preferable since we can state the sources for each name and add that with Property:P439 "said to be the same" plus Property:P129 "according to" a statement of the traditions that solved the problem with this particular identification. It is this the solution that allows us to depict the textual situation.

Mergers remain necessary where we accidentally created double records in the imports of names from various sources. Set Property:P262 "merger candidate" if you want to wait for further substantiation of a merger. --Olaf Simons (talk) 10:40, 13 July 2020 (CEST)

Spreadsheet with Q-Numbers and German and English Verses

Useful sites

  • Bible Hub can be used to read several English versions of the same Verse or chapter in a parallel edition; has also very good - cautious - surveys of people of the same name.
  • Wikipedia List of minor Old Testament figures, A–K this is an extremely useful list of biblical caharcters who did not receive an article of their own. Each name comes with a statement of how many people one might be able to keep apart in a careful reading of the texts.
  • http://www.complete-bible-genealogy.com gives one of the longest lists and extensive genealogical information with textual references, has, however, its own unmarked theological interpretations in the data set. / Contacted without response, matched the list - condensed ours, double IDs indicate that we might need to have some 15 more... --Olaf Simons (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2020 (CEST)
  • http://marshallgenealogy.org/ Bible Genealogy of the "Marshall Family Genealogy Website", offered by David@Marshallgenealogy.org (without copy right restrictions)
  • BibleServer.com Biblical text base to link to, might be an interesting partner at a later stage
  • Several dictionaries not easy to import.

Better Descriptions

The present descriptions are machine generated as in the case of Abihail (Item:Q165670) "female biblical protagonist (1 Chronicles 2:29)". Together with the more explicit names this allows a quick mouse-over separation of people located in different textual contexts.

Biblical Names

Our Items are using English names according to the traditional King James Version. Alternative spellings are handled as Aliasses.

The Property:P248 given name allows to state given names. For the automatic input we used a separate set of King James version names as a make shift solution. The description is here "standardised given (biblical) name". A Hebrew "Ya'qob" can appear in the P248 statement as an English "Jacob" or as an English "James". The aim is here a conversion to Hebrew transcripts (in the different languages and writing systems). A particular problem is the Greek spelling of names in the New Testament books. We could follow the text base and state that Jesus is "Iesous" (transcript of the Greek Ιησούς) or we reconstruct the Hebrew original as in Item:Q170715 Yeshua (as a mederate transcript of ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘).

The attempt to state Hebrew and other language originals has the advantage of the eventual search for people of the same name. The perfect option will be the transcript of the "original" name with a qualifier Property:P35 "literal statement" that gives the actual spelling of the Greek source text as in James, the son of Zebedee.

Biblical events

See Crusifixion of Jesus of Nazareth and two thieves it would be interesting to state who was there according to the various sources

Biblical chronology

We should date people and events according to the Biblical chronologies (also to identify merger candidates among people of the same name and historical context). There are different traditions to follow.

See also Christoph Berner, "Chronologie, biblische", WiBiLex

Bishop Ussher's chronology

the chronology that had the greatest influence on the modern Anglophone tradition:

The Jewish Chronology

Modern chronologies based on archaeological and historical sources

All biblical women

Database visualisation: All the Bible's people, ties to children and gender

The present FactGrid count is at 171. It would make sense to link our datasets to the biblegateway and the Wikipedia entries (and give the Wikidata identifiers where they exist). Maybe we can arrive at a new best result.

Biblical sexual relationships

We know by and large of everyone the father and the mother. It would be easy to create provisional marriage statements on this base but it would be necessary to then go through the list and to state the exact relationships - as (for instance)

We might need more or a better system of a generals statement with quelifiers.

Group networks

The Bible has a lot of information on groups, circles, followership.

  • Early Christianity

Political State of Israel from Salomon onwards

Genealogy of the kings of Israel and Judah.svg

File:Genealogy of the kings of Israel and Judah.svg

This table describes the Kings, their parents, age they lived, the prophets who influenced them, and the emperors they encountered in battle. 8 June 2018 by MathweIsaiah

Angels, Demons and Gods

  • Item:Q171789 Karel van der Toorn/ Bob Becking/ Pieter Willem van der Horst, Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible (Leiden/ Boston/ Köln, 1999).

Korean Bible Project

  • present data set in Korean
  • All of the 3102 biblical persons have Korean labels and aliases. 2423 have these name from this web-resource. The remaining 680 are Google translations Column V identifies these names).
  • The Bible Verses in the references have not been matched. If we get the Korean equivalents here in Column C we can run a machine input via QuickStatements (it is basically 60 replacements, will solve the problem, maybe 20 minutes work)
  • The basic vocabulary of the statements (Properties like "father", "mother", "child", statements like "male" or "female", need some work - not more than 15 minutes to get the Bible project working in Korean)
  • It would not be very difficult to produce a translation of the English descriptions, since these are standard information so far. (Amount of time? 15 Minutes)

Useful Statements/Properties

  • use qualifier Property:P400 "plus" if you have months and days to add.

Useful items

The Quran

basically the same work now getting connections and agreements and disagreements.

Apocrypha, Religions and Confessions

  • Thus far we have mapped the German Luther Bible and the English King James Version.
  • We should be able to create different Bibles for different religions and confessions - see:

Possible joint ventures

  1. https://www.openbible.info/ we should contact the project for a joint venture!
  2. Wikipedia List of Biblical Persons - very good to differentiate between names

Double Complete Bible Genealogy IDs, persons to check

  1. Item:Q168980
  2. Item:Q168603
  3. Item:Q168420
  4. Item:Q168288
  5. Item:Q166586
  6. Item:Q166567
  7. Item:Q166556
  8. Item:Q166193
  9. Item:Q166134
  10. Item:Q166060
  11. Item:Q165915
  12. Item:Q165915

Projects on Names, Bible and Cuneiform

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