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Dear Charles, [[Item:Q394873]] - I do not quite see in what kind of statement such items can possibly occur. I do not even know what P2 or P3 statement to give them. Could you put them on an exemplary item? --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 10:39, 2 March 2022 (CET)
Dear Charles, [[Item:Q394873]] - I do not quite see in what kind of statement such items can possibly occur. I do not even know what P2 or P3 statement to give them. Could you put them on an exemplary item? --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 10:39, 2 March 2022 (CET)
This was based on our discussion 3/1/22 on how to use Literature (P12) to list a Q# of secondary bibliography and then to qualify that Q# with Kind of Reference (P708). You created that property in order not to use Note (P73) followed by a string. You rightly pointed out that if we used "descrito en," we would not see "described in" if we changed the language to English
See [[Item:Q164502]].

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Dear Charles,

Here are the exemplary items you might try to refine:

There are probably some statements I would try to use if it was my project, especially the Property:P233/+Property:P234 option to create a stemma. This is something I am not quite sure how it will work out. If you talk to computer people they might find that easy. Property:P233 states the previous position(s) in a genetic relationship and Property:P234 is a property to qualify the respective genealogical link like: translation, abbreviation and so on. We manages to get network graphs with these two properties but I'd love to ave a visualisation that exploits the P106 date marker to create the tree...

There are other issues I did not try to solve. The Property:P476 identifier should be able to link straight through into the dataset. You can configure it if you know more about how your software is creating these dynamic links. (That is also the reason why I did not create the "Uniform Title IDno" - you people will know better how to create links into your database.

I also did not go into details with the two texts of the manuscript. Item:Q164746 has some blanks "Input here" that just indicate we could do it, but I did not create the respective items because that would open ever new boxes. The language item "Castellano" might need specification (Spanish would also have been available, but I guess you have more specific terms for different historical periods like we have in German with Middle High German, or Middle Low German).

Best Wishes --Olaf Simons (talk) 13:42, 27 May 2020 (CEST)

Thanks, Olaf,

I'm still trying to figure out how to identify Properties to use as examples in the NEH proposal.

I will use this with you rather than e-mail....

A question:

Is it possible to copy a Property and then make changes in it. For example, copy P329 "Holding archive" to create another P with the label "Holding library"?

Distinguishing Qs at the model level

Hi Olaf,

I understand "Goethe (Q5879) author (P21) Faust (Q29478)"

How do I express this in terms of a data label, linking an entity Q author (P21) to Q ext"?

How about entity human (Q5) author (P21) Q ???


I was looking at the "New Property" page. I think that we are going to have to create a lot of new properties. Will they all have to be debated and discussed before they can be added?

Thanks again. This is fun,

Charles

The statement above is the other way around: Faust has properties and one is that Goethe is its author. See Item:Q3828 for a typical letter. (We did not yet go any deeper into books). Look at our Reasonator interpretation to see why this makes sense.
You can state Faust on Goethe's side with Property:P174 works published. But we did not start with this because it would kill the Items. Some People have written some 800 letters - if we state them on the person's item that will not be beautiful, especially since we will travel around with a messy subset of qualifiers: Goethe is the author of the letter x, he sent that to Y, Y lived in Z, he sent that Letter on date B... So we put all this information on the objects and leave it to searches to tell us what a person has written. [all the object that have J.J.C. Bode as author (some 800)
Item:Q7 Human you need to state that someone is a human being - like a category in previous datebases. Author is mostly used as in career statements.
If you want to feed bigger masses into FactGrid, I would recommend to do some five test items of each sort and look at the searches they are supposed to answer. The good data model answers well on searches. On this course we will create most of the Properties needed. You can create your own properties any time but I recommend to do that only after a couple of items we created together. There are stupid mistakes one can make like not fully consider the data-type. It is also good practice to state new properties on the common page so that the others can see them and begin to use them in their own research. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:13, 31 May 2020 (CEST)

Hi Olaf,

I did finally figure out, with help from a friend in Spain that the proper relationship is work P50 author/ written by: Libro de buen amor (Q2283127) written by (P50) Juan Ruiz (Q434597). In fact, this is how we do it in PhiloBiblon, where the basic entity is the Work, to which authors, translators, and other Associated Persons are linked.

I don't intend to create anything, neither properties nor classes, for a good long time!

I will talk to you with Jens on Tuesday

1st Web-Meeting, 18 May 2021

Moved to FactGrid talk:PhiloBiblon

Database Objects and pages

The following is no database object - it is a Wiki page with the Q-Number of an object/Item:

https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Q254471

To create an object you need to run the New Item procedure (Menue (which you did)). Better even: run that routine with a batch Fragment.

This is the database object - It has "Item" in the url:

https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Item:Q254471

It makes no sense to date things on FactGrid (as you did on the talk page as the system has a version history for anything that is far more precise and specific.

Maybe I can offer an online course on the Database. Useful also a look at the Help section to understand the database routines. (Improvements of the Held section are welcome.) I could give that course for anyone interested Monday 24 May 2021 at on our Webex Channel (easy to use) 21:00 CET.

Good descriptions

Dear Charles, as I just wrote in my e-mail: If you are using labels like "MS: Toledo: Biblioteca Capitular...." you will get hundreds of hits on the normal navigation that make no difference before character 31. Two ways out of that dilemma: good, (1) intuitive, aliases and (2) descriptions that state what is special in the first 15 characters, the ones you see on display in thin letters, below the bold font labels. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:19, 26 January 2022 (CET)

Witnesses and Price

Morning Charles, I am not sure whether Item:Q394389 is meant to refer to a person (which we have Q144912) in a law case or to a textual witness (Item:Q195274)? (The plural is odd) --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:32, 24 February 2022 (CET)

I also detected these to Item:Q394388, Item:Q246405 which might be the same. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:55, 24 February 2022 (CET)

We need both textual witnesses Item:Q195274 and witnesses as individuals Q144912, although ours are usually witnesses of documents, not witnesses in a law case. In the former case, each record in our Analytic table is a textual witness. In the latter case, witnesses are found as Persons Associated with a text or with a textual witness. With regard to Item:Q394388 and Item:Q246405, they are different in my opinion. The latter is the actual price paid from one person to another; the former is the price established by law for a book. This is useful to know for book history. --Charles Faulhaber (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2022 (CET)

--I quote the "tasa" from the 1495 edition of Antonio de Nebrija's Latin-Spanish Dictionary: "Esta tassado este vocabulario por los muy altos | & muy poderosos principes el Rey & la Reyna | nuestros señores & por los del su muy alto con|sejo en cinco reales de plata."

The price of this vocabulary has been set by the most high and most powerful princes, the King and Queen our lords, and by those of their most high council in 5 silver reales

This is an official government action. It is different from the price one would pay to a bookdealer, where money changes hands. --Charles Faulhaber (talk) 06:09, 3 March 2022 (CET)

Property like Items

Dear Charles, Item:Q394873 - I do not quite see in what kind of statement such items can possibly occur. I do not even know what P2 or P3 statement to give them. Could you put them on an exemplary item? --Olaf Simons (talk) 10:39, 2 March 2022 (CET)

This was based on our discussion 3/1/22 on how to use Literature (P12) to list a Q# of secondary bibliography and then to qualify that Q# with Kind of Reference (P708). You created that property in order not to use Note (P73) followed by a string. You rightly pointed out that if we used "descrito en," we would not see "described in" if we changed the language to English See Item:Q164502.