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::And given you the Bubble graph (for quantities) above and here also the [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#%23defaultView%3AGraph%0ASELECT%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20%3FFrench_ProphetsLabel%20%3FReligious_affiliation%20%3FReligious_affiliationLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20wdt%3AP300%20wd%3AQ255080.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20wdt%3AP172%20%3FReligious_affiliation.%20%7D%0A%7D network view with the names]
::And given you the Bubble graph (for quantities) above and here also the [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#%23defaultView%3AGraph%0ASELECT%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20%3FFrench_ProphetsLabel%20%3FReligious_affiliation%20%3FReligious_affiliationLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20wdt%3AP300%20wd%3AQ255080.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FFrench_Prophets%20wdt%3AP172%20%3FReligious_affiliation.%20%7D%0A%7D network view with the names]
:::Great start. I spotted two problems: 1. There are two bubbles for the same denomination (Quaker/Quakers). 2. Anglicans and Anabaptists have been mixed up. A=Anglican Anab.=Anabaptist. [[User:Lionel Laborie|Lionel Laborie]] ([[User talk:Lionel Laborie|talk]]) 21:44, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

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Spreadsheet

First task: Gender. I sorted the table by name, so that you have less of a problem to decide which gender these people are - columns I is for gender, f and m. Best --Olaf Simons (talk) 18:02, 12 June 2021 (CEST)


I have just entered the genders. I have also made a list of first names of which I do not know the gender for sure:

  • Brunelle (Joineau); female
  • Bulfinch (Lamb); male
  • Filmore (Southouse); male
  • Handrin (Barre); male
  • J.-J. (Doladille); male (Jean-Jacques Doladille)
  • Joan; female
  • Josiah (Bundy); male
  • Josué (Prade); male
  • M. (Kemp); female
  • M. (De Beaulieu); male
  • M.C. (Bouché);
  • N. (Browne);
  • P. (De Gaujac); male
  • Shepherd (Wolf) male

Genders added above (when known) Lionel Laborie (talk) 16:17, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

Great, I just added them Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 17:05, 16 June 2021 (CEST)


I was also wondering whether it is beneficial to make separate columns for second names and nicknames? Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2021 (CEST)

We will need qualifiers for that, too. - later when polishing the thing and solving all the remaining riddles. --Olaf Simons (talk) 00:02, 15 June 2021 (CEST)
File:Adherents of the French Prophets and their religious affiliation.JPG
Adherents of the French Prophets and their religious affiliation

In the column 'religion' there are sometimes question marks. I suppose this means that we think someone has religion 'x', but that we are not sure. Which qualifier should I use to indicate that? Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 12:44, 15 June 2021 (CEST)

There is a particular qualifier "how sure is this" Property:P155 - and that should also be used if you state "presumably" on a date. --Olaf Simons (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2021 (CEST)
And do not worry about the "presumably statements you have already set - they don't do any harm. We can just add how sure statements on top.
Congrats by the way for having managed you own first mass imputs. That was the worst thing to learn and you did it. --Olaf Simons (talk) 14:06, 15 June 2021 (CEST)

Looking at the 'special FactGrid items to use on this property' stated under the qualifier "how sure is this" Property:P155, multiple seem fitting. When Lionel has marked a religious affiliation with an '?', should I for instance use 'presumably', 'possibly' or 'context-based assumption'? And what option should I choose when one person has multiple religions marked with a '?' (like 'A? Ph?'), maybe 'the sources extant do not allow a decision between the alternatives stated'? By the way, can Lionel also read this chat? Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 15:41, 15 June 2021 (CEST)

Sure - Lionel can read this (as everyone else); he has to decide how he wants his data stated. As you realise we can create actually any statement just as we can generate any P-Number and any Q-Object with any "Label" in any language. So consider with him, what he would love to read on his statements. Just by the way: any statement is also open to be referenced with any number of archival sources. Best --Olaf Simons (talk) 15:54, 15 June 2021 (CEST)
I would go for "context-based assumption" whenever you find a ? after a religious denomination. When there are more than one, I would indeed choose 'the sources extant do not allow a decision between the alternatives stated' Lionel Laborie (talk) 16:22, 16 June 2021 (CEST)
I will create a first visualisation once we have the religions, cool, --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:31, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

Society for the Propagation of Christian Knowledge and Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts are missionary organizations and so not really religious affiliations. What P-number should I best use for that, Olaf? Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 17:35, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

You can use the Property:P91 Membership-statement instead. --Olaf Simons (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

Just added the religions Sophie de Leeuw (talk) 19:58, 16 June 2021 (CEST)

And given you the Bubble graph (for quantities) above and here also the network view with the names
Great start. I spotted two problems: 1. There are two bubbles for the same denomination (Quaker/Quakers). 2. Anglicans and Anabaptists have been mixed up. A=Anglican Anab.=Anabaptist. Lionel Laborie (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2021 (CEST)
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