User talk:Josef Wäges

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Good searches to remember

Annotating some first SK20 documents

These are the direct links

What we'd like to have?

  • Labels - i.e. titles headlines in English (click edit on top)
  • corrections where necessary (click edit on each mistaken statement)
  • additional statements using the statement options from this collection: Properties for documents. You find an "add statement" link at the bottom of each data set and you can then create a statement of your choice from the list. (I can create entirely different statements if you need them.)

A statement is usually a "triplet" like Q7677, P21, Q133. The database connects the two Q-items and the P-property between them with words in English, German or Chinese so that you can eventually read it as "Document 136 of Schwedenkiste vol. 20 (Q7677) was authored by (P21) Johann Joachim Christoph Bode (Q133)".

If you want to give a digest in English use the P75 statement that gives you a text field of some 400 characters.

And all the new documents

Thanks for the massive transfer. If you create a spreadsheet (I love Google spreadsheets, where 2 people can edit) with a line on each document - I will turn this into database information. We need columns on author, headline to use, brief description, title transcript, place where written, date, archive holding the file, the file's shelf-mark, the page, folio or number of the document within the file... to create a practical first data set. And I will connect your information with a project you can define to your purposes. This is how Hermann wanted to state his research Item:Q11305 - you can say more or far less about your research - the cool thing is that you can eventually advertise a book with all your research. --Olaf Simons (talk) 21:22, 24 September 2018 (CEST)

English translations for Johnny

Evening Josef,

These are the documents and transcripts I gave Johnny to peruse for a ground perspective

...I could add a case of Illuminati-paranoia from a frustrated member.

If you have an easy script for Google to create nice translations, Johnny might like these. --Olaf Simons (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2018 (CEST)

and we should offer them here. I will re-read anything that sound good English in your ears (that is what I dislike about Google translate - I somehow speak English, but as a non-native I am often deceived by sentences that sound nice in my ear the more often I read them - but which are wrong in any native speaker's ear nonetheless). --Olaf Simons (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2018 (CEST)

All Texas Lodges

Dear Joe, I did a second matching with a look at the Geo-coordinate as we had too many misleading hits where we had names like Eureka popping up in five different states. The geographical margins will have to be cleaned, and we remain with lodges that are not mapped so far - either because i did not get their names with the mapping or because they were too small to be caught with the 10,000 biggest places in the US.

...so still some work but less than last night, --Olaf Simons (talk) 11:50, 21 April 2021 (CEST)

PS you wanted to give sources (the list has an a and b marker). If we'd have the items for both I could set the statements. I also felt you might have an idea of when the older ones stopped to be active, that too might go into the list. --Olaf Simons (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2021 (CEST)

The Caribbean land and property owners

Potential double Records:

  • Alexis Berthommé, dit Bourgneuf [Q361879]
  • Élisabeth Hérodeau, épouse Mitaud [Q365167]
  • Hilaire Guindet [Q365041]
  • Jean-Jacques Serres [Q368853]
  • Pierre (II) Dupont [Q364036]
I am wondering whether the Lodge "La Concorde" of Les Cayes Item:Q221362 is really on the Ile des Vaches. There are Les Cayes Item: Q165095 and Île des Vaches Item: Q221430 in the district of Les Cayes. There was hardly anything on the Île des Vaches in the 18th century.--Bruno Belhoste (talk) 09:30, 18 November 2021 (CET)
Agree, we would call it a "Piratenloch" in German; in the mid of 19th ct. Bernard Kock as single owner of the island made the attempt to settle former US-slaves with the help of president Lincoln on the island.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2021 (CET)

Agreed. I've moved it back to les Cayes. The description is what was misleading. http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/geo.php?lieu=Fond-de-l%27%C3%8Ele-%C3%A0-Vache+%28Saint-Domingue%2C+%C3%8Ele+de%29 - Josef Wäges

I provided items for three 18th-ct. events in Les Cayes, which should be useful for most of the Les Cayes related 18th-ct biographies, mostly the death dates... Those are the hurricanes 1781 and 1788 which both hit this corner of Haiti severly and the 1793 massacre, which erraded the white population then present there.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 14:28, 19 November 2021 (CET

What is the source of the data for these hurricane deaths? Are there also records of the dead colonists in the revolution?

The hurricane data are from en:wp and de:wp, which seem to have reliable standard. Reading that night, I found an earthquake in the 1780s which is said to have erraised the town Port-au-Prince, which was then rebuilt in wood rather than in stone. While reading my interest into this myth about the Polish soldiers joining the Haitian Revolution grew. There seem to be no exact figures either, otherwise the myth were totally destroyed. Most of the surviving (combat + yellow fever) Polish soldiers left the country. Some where I read they were very open to freemasonry too. But I just strolled through the net for fun and did not have a scientific approach while reading...--Martin Gollasch (talk) 01:20, 22 November 2021 (CET)

I have some Polish officers in a Lodge in Santo Domingo 1805-1807 who fled from Jacmel, and also some Polish officers in Cuban Lodges who fled from St. Domingue 1805-1809.

Loge Parfaite Harmony, Santo Domingo. 1804 Sebastian Golaszewski, agé de 35 ans, Capitaine-Commandant la 113me 1/2 Brigade d'Infanterie, natif de Redweila, an Pologne, enfant de la Loge, Maitre. Leon Tarnowski, agé de 27 ans, Lieutenant à la 113me 1/2 Brigade d'Infanterie, natif de Leopold, en Pologne, Enfant de la Loge, Apprentif. Dominique Kaminski, agé de 24 ans, Officer à la 113me1/2 Brigade d'INfanterie, natif de Kalisch, en Pologne, Enfant de la Loge, Apprentif.

That suggest a corresponding item for the 113me. In what I have read at the max. 80-120 Polish soldiers changed the lines. Important is probably to be able to differentiate between French, Creole and Polish freemasons.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 09:38, 22 November 2021 (CET)
Then the Yellow fever seems to have taken its tolls in this swamp following hurricanes, severe tsunamis and earthquakes, so in my opinion you should consider an item in FactGrid as a "Cause of death".--Martin Gollasch (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2021 (CET)
At least the "1804 Haiti massacre" (Q387759) must be a clear turning point in the history of all lodges as there cannot be a French lodge on Haiti without any French (the question is, whether the decline of French lodges during the decade of the Haitian Revolution can be made visible... For this all lodges after 1804 must be Creole or African.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 10:01, 22 November 2021 (CET)

Lodge in Gustavia

List of 113 signees in Anjala with transcript

Some participants of the Anjala conspiracy under Gustav III were banished to Gustavia on Saint-Barthélemy, then Swedish colony. Some of the 113 participants of the Anjala conspiracy were freemasons too, as were some of the Swedish gouvernors in Gustavia. You mentioned/commented on D-Q248851 here (Tim Berndtsson, The Order and the Archive: ...) and there is a Lodge mentioned in Gustavia... Can you recall its name? And is there perhaps a membership list of this Lodge in Gustavia?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 14:36, 24 November 2021 (CET)

Found it: Lodge "La Sudermanie No. 35", Gustavia (Q388632) There is a list of members in 1799, which is a little late for a comparison with the list signed in Anjala.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 11:00, 27 November 2021 (CET)

Andreas Önnerfors mentioned this Lodge to me also. The minuet books and rituals for it are in the Grand Lodge of Sweden archives. I believe the records go earlier than this as well. Consider reaching out to him to ascertain if there are more pieces. If memory serves these records are in French as they were operating in the French Language for trade proposes in the region. Josef Wäges (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2021 (CET)

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