User talk:Maïwenn Bourdic

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Primary source and holding Institution

Hi Maïwenn, Primary source P51 should linkt to a document. The "Archives départementales de la Loire-Atlantique" would be mentioned on the document's side with P329 Holding institution and the shelfmark as Qualifier. At least this is how we did it so far... --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2022 (CET)

Hi Olaf Simons
Ok, thanks for the notification. I'll correct that for the first event I've imported.
Is this item ok for P329 instead of P131 : Item:Q465301 -- Maïwenn Bourdic (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2022 (CET)
  • P131 should note your project - this is an extensive item on P131: Item:Q11305
  • P329 notes where a document is located. We also have P185 "Archives at" to note the archive of an Institution - why not also of an event? I'd use P185. --Olaf Simons (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2022 (CET)


My mistake : I wanted to say "P329 instead of P51", like I did on Item:Q465301, instead of Item:Q465300.
I'm not convicted by using P185 (WD P485) because on Wikidata it concerns archives producted by a person / family / institution, not archives which concerns someone (it was really not that clear when the property was created on Wikidata).
If P31 could also refer to "File" (instead of Document), i could create an item "File" for each archives reference and newspaper, and add them as Primary source P31 for each events ?
For example on Item:Q465260, 1 M 2310 could be like that :
  • Len :File on strikes and coalitions in Loire-Atlantique (France) (1893)
  • P2 : File
  • P329 : Archives départementales de la Loire-Atlantique
  • P10 : 1 M 2310
If not I will modify every P51 by P329.
Thanks for your advices --Maïwenn Bourdic (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2022 (CET)

Sure, make P31 refer to a file or even an archive's collection. This is your timeline: https://tinyurl.com/2r3qd3m8 one would love to have images (which we can integrate from Wikimedia commons...) - a curious piece of research; you must write something about it in the Blog when you have the data! --Olaf Simons (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2022 (CET)

Holding institution and Shelfmark

Small tip again: Item:Q467557 - set the Inventory position as qualifier. Why is that useful? Because several archives can have copies of the same thing. So you can reference on the edition three archives and connect three the shelfmarks - the correct one - on each archive. --Olaf Simons (talk) 22:33, 29 November 2022 (CET)

Ok ! I'll modify the other one.
Thanks a lot for the timeline !
--Maïwenn Bourdic (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2022 (CET)