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== Advice: best practice data structures ==
<p align="right">[[FactGrid:Troubleshooting/archive]]</p>
=== Repeated information - avoid it or go for it? ===
We have some 7000 documents in the database. Each document has an author, most documents have recipients and most documents mention other persons.


* [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FDokument%20%3FDokumentLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP2%20wd%3AQ10671.%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP21%20wd%3AQ133.%0A%7D 375 documents are written by Johann Joachim Christoph Bode].
*  [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FDokument%20%3FDokumentLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP2%20wd%3AQ10671.%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP28%20wd%3AQ133.%0A%7D 1123 documents have Bode as first recipient]
* [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FDokument%20%3FDokumentLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP2%20wd%3AQ10671.%0A%20%20%3FDokument%20wdt%3AP33%20wd%3AQ133.%0A%7D 108 documents mention Bode]


Organising Bode's data set [[Item:Q133]]: should we list all these documents in three sections? It might be interesting to do this because this is the point at which we show that we have far more information on the man than any other database.
== Specific problems of our Wikibase Installation ==
=== lua not installed ===


I am otherwise not to eager to begin this because this was the reason why we left the Wiki and went for the database: The ideal situation is that we have every fact only once in the database. A data sheet on Bode should fill the "Bode as Author" section with a look into the database. Once we start creating lists we have to make sure that they are all constantly up to date and well organised - and a Bode data sheet with a list of 1123 documents he received will no longer be funny.
=== Wikidata has a function that allows quoting items via {{}} template, can we do that as well? ===
* We can set a [[Q123]] link (that refers to a non existing page.
* We can set an [[Item:Q123]] link - and sometimes we get the title on the ink - but not necessarily (works wel after moving a page and ends after saving it again)
* A {{}} template does not work.  


The ideal situation is a split of functions: A Bode page is created in data base retrievals. You geht the list as soon as you click at "more" freshly made from the data base. (There is a tendency to use Wikibase much like a Wikipedia page: have everything on Bode on "his page" and understand that the dataset [[Item:Q133]] is all we know about Bode...)
:Hast du ein Beispiel auf Wikidata, wo es so funktioniert wie du es haben willst? Dann schau ich es mir an. Das sollte gehen. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]


=== Membership information: have the information on person? on the organisation or on an intermediate membership item? ===
=== Time: Hours and Minutes cannot be stated ===
We have about 1350 Illuminati [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FIlluminatenorden%20%3FIlluminatenordenLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%0A%20%20%3FIlluminatenorden%20wdt%3AP91%20wd%3AQ10677.%0A%7D search]. Is being a member a personal thing, to be stated in the person's data set? Is it a thing on the account of the Order to be stated here [[Item:Q10677]] - or shall we create items for each membership and refer to these items on both sides, person and organisation?
We could actually give events (like conference papers) on individual days. The software has the option but it does not work in Wikidata or on our platform.


A particular problem is that mere membership information will not be the end of the story. Members progress in the order, they get degrees and reach positions. We will not be able to list these details as qualifiers of the respective membership (member of the Illuminati, begin date, place, proposed by, advanced to position x, date... [Wikibase will list all dates together])
:Die Eingabe von genauen Zeiten ist noch nicht möglich weil das eine Menge Komplexität mit Zeitzonen mit sich bringt. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57755 ist das Ticket dafür. Dem müssen wir uns mal annehmen. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]


Membership items could be complex but would they be operable? Would users know what to look for? --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 10:45, 20 November 2018 (CET)
=== Time: Format ===
Currently it says on the bottom of that page "This page was last edited on 6 July 2019, at 18:05." and on in the history "18:05, 6 July 2019" - two different formats no statement found what for. Furthermore in the FG blog and other places formats based on ISO 8601 appear. Proposal: standardize on ISO 8601.


=== Changing entities and cuts through time ===
=== Time: Seconds not shown in page history ===
In the contributions lists seconds are not shown, so one cannot see in which order edits have been made, even worse, a change that is labeled "current" comes before another one on the same page:
18:05, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+236)‎ . . FactGrid:Troubleshooting Range ‎ (→‎"Item:Q123" or "Item:123")
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+63)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [en] description: human)
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+64)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [de] description: Mensch) ('''current''')
17:49, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Property talk:P163 ‎ (...)


See [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchner_Buchhandel_1500%E2%80%931850 Münchner Buchhandel 1500–1850] at Wikipedia for the problem.
=== Wikidata context help when creating an entry not available on FactGrid ===
Property suggester


The Publishing House of Moritz Georg Weidmann becomes eventually the Olms Verlag - if we treat this as one company - how do we create different references for different times? Books have different imprints decade after decade - especially with the early modern practice to use the publishers' personal names in the imprints. Our system must be able to make sense of practically any imprint we find - and it should at the same moment understand how the changing imprint information is actually connected to existing companies. Munich does not have 57 companies from 1500 to 1850 but six under changing names.
Wikidata offers complex context help when users want to create items like a biography - questions one would like to answer as well. Can we have the same?


* How do we give the proper picture in queries with time frames (tell me how many bookshops Munich had in 1700)?
:Da weiß ich nicht, was du meinst leider. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
* How do we best organise data on an item that goes from 1500 to the present?
* Should we create different item under each name and state how these items are related?
* Should we create one idem and state the changing names with begin/end information (sound better because a lot of information like the location might be stable)?


The same problem occurs with addresses. A city quarter can be torn down, the new quarter gets old street names - but are these still the same addresses? (They might have new geographic coordinates).
[[File:Screenshot Personeneingabe Wikidata.png|thumb|Creating a person on Wikidata, screenshot]]


=== Recipients 1, 2, 3 - a good idea? ===
Ich gebe hier eine Person ein und Wikidata is in der Lage mir die relevanten nächsten Aussagen vorzuschlagen - das ist eigentlich weit besser als ein Formular zu erstellen (wie wir das zuerst vorhatten). Kann man die Vorschläge lenken? Kann man einen Vorschlagpfad generieren? Wenn Du eine Persion hast, dann geht es mit diesen Fragen los. Wenn die schon beantwortet sind, dann gehe mit folgenden weiter... Bei uns jedenfalls erscheint bei Eröffnung einer neuen Aussage kein Vorschlag in irgendeine Richtung. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 08:42, 23 May 2019 (CEST)
Regular communication from members into the Illuminati Order was a complex thing. Members met one a month in their local Minerval Church and handed in their monthly Quibus Licet ("to whom it may concern"), letters into the Order. The "local superior" would be the first reader. He would pass the letter to the Provincial leader who would answer as Basilus, the "Unknown Superior". The local superior of Gotha would be Christian Georg Helmolt (the first recipient), he would send the package of Gotha's "QQLL" (the abbreviation for the plural) to Johann Joachim Christoph Bode in Weimar (recipient 2) who could in turn pass the letters to Gotha's duke Ernest II. (recipient 3 in this case).


In order to link the respective places to which the letters were sent to the recipients I created different recipients which could now be spotted in different places.
=== Commons images not displayed on FactGrid-Item Views ===
...though we can integrate them in Wiki pages we create - the item-pages won't offer them.


One could organise this differently. [[User:Daniel Mietchen]] proposed to create an item for each transportation process. Would this be clever? How should we organise things with the aim to facilitate searches? --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 21:42, 6 August 2018 (CEST)
:Hast du ein Beispiel das ich mir anschauen kann? --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]


:Alternative again proposed by [[User:Daniel Mietchen]]: take a look at Wikidata's P1545, series qualifier.
::Soll mit dem nächsten Software-Update kommen. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 16:14, 17 January 2020 (CET)


::It all boils down to the question of best search results and optimal linking. One would love to see the bundling of information on higher levels of personal power. Search results again are a question of expectations: User have to get the information even if they do not know more about the availability. (That's why recipient 1-2-3 was probably bad - you do not know that these exist...)
=== Wikidata has map views on geo-coordinates ===


=== What should we do with our 1500 transcripts of documents ===
would be nice to have these too. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 09:09, 14 January 2020 (CET)


We are in need of a good place to offer transcripts (and eventually: scans).
::Soll mit dem nächsten Software-Update kommen. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 16:15, 17 January 2020 (CET)


Would [[Q22976]] be a good place for the transcript of [[Item:Q22976]]?
== QuickStatemens ==
=== Problems with adding units ===
qid,P107
Q24,3U164536


Would it be better to have a direct input field for the transcript of full pages?
error code says it is looking into Wikidata for Q164536. Might be still hard coded.


Could the reasonator as a standard unser interface grab transpripts from such wiki pages?
== Open Refine ==
Seen a demonstration of Open refine and it seems it needs an integration on our wikibase installation before one can use the program to prepare data. Another task for someone with a clearer idea of the installation. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 11:07, 26 October 2019 (CEST)
* https://github.com/wetneb/openrefine-wikibase
--The reconciliation service of Open refine works with FactGrid. You must install the extension RDF of Open refine ([https://github.com/stkenny/grefine-rdf-extension/blob/orefine/README.md]) in your computer and add a SPARQL-reconciliation service for FactGrid (follow the instructions). It is very useful, but unfortunately rather slow, I don't know why. -- [[User:Bruno Belhoste|Bruno Belhoste]] ([[User talk:Bruno Belhoste|talk]]) 12:41, 8 May 2020 (CEST)


Could we use the Wikisource extension to offer scans side by side?
== QueryService related problems ==
=== SPARQL Script Requests ===
* see: [[FactGrid:SPARQL Lab]]


== Specific problems of our Wikibase Installation ==
=== QueryService gives January 1 as default answer for full year dates ===
=== GND Identifiers do not link ===
If we give a full year (e.g. on "date of birth") the Query Service will state January 1 as the date instead of leaving the day and month unspecified.
See [[Item:Q133]]. Why does the GND number not linkt to the GND as in Wikidata?


=== Wikidata has a function that allows quoting items via {{}} template, can we do that as well? ===
:Das Ticket dazu ist https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159160. Ich weiß leider gerade nicht was da der letzte Diskussionsstand ist. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
Does not seem to work... Side aspect: Wikidata states Q-Numbers like Q123, we state "Item:Q123" (and I have begun to link transcripts to the Q-Pages) --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 12:20, 23 November 2018 (CET)


=== Description 250 character limit ===
:Date precision still does'nt work on FactGrid QueryService and it's a pity. It's seems to work on Wikidata Queryservice (through time nodes which don't seem to exist in FactGrid). --[[User:Bruno Belhoste|Bruno Belhoste]] ([[User talk:Bruno Belhoste|talk]]) 17:08, 2 May 2020 (CEST)
We have extended descriptions wherever we have foreign data inputs. Daniel Mietchen said we can modify the character limits on our own Wikibase instance - would be good to allow perhaps 1500 characters. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 12:26, 23 November 2018 (CET)


=== Time: Hours and Minutes cannot be stated ===
=== QueryService gives output with wd:Q123 numbers ===
We were trying to state events on single days, and did not manage to state hours or minutes, though the Sofware seems to offer the option. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 12:26, 23 November 2018 (CET)
though the links do actually go into the FactGrid resource. This problem occurs on all levels: our Q-numbers are displayed in SPARQL searches as wd numbers. Tiny-urls open when activated with a Wikidata welcome page before we get the FactGrid results: http://tinyurl.com/y8zwjosq


== QueryService related problems ==
:Der erste Teil ist glaube ich https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194180. Ich habe ein Ticket für den zweiten Teil aufgemacht: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223582. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
=== QueryService gives January 1 as default answer for full year dates ===
If we give a full year (e.g. "date of birth") the Query Service will state that January 1 as the date.


=== QueryService gives output with wd:Q123 numbers ===
=== QueryService example searches are actually Wikidata searches ===
though the links do actually go into the FactGrid resource
...and do not help you on our database.


=== QueryService example searches are Wikidata searches and do not work on our database ===
:Das ist seit kurzem konfigurierbar. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223586 habe ich aufgemacht um das für Factgrid zu konfigurieren. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
though the links do actually go into the FactGrid resource


== Tools/features one would like to have ==
== Tools/features one would like to have ==
=== Our Reasonator as Standard Interface ===
We would like to offer our Reasonator-Installation as standard interface for people who are just looking for information. So far it does not really seem to work...
One of the problems is that our instance looks for [[Item:Q969]] instead of [[Q969]]
:Das genannte Problem können wir hoffentlich mit dem Ticket von 2.1. lösen. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
:* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223548 Ticket gelöst, klappt aber dennoch nicht.
=== A tool to grab and import (selected) Wikidata information ===
=== A tool to grab and import (selected) Wikidata information ===
If we have data on a FactGrid Item on Wikidate - could on think of a tool that can be used to grab these data as a set and to convert selected statements into FactGrid statements?
If we have data on a FactGrid Item on Wikidate - could on think of a tool that can be used to grab these data as a set and to convert selected statements into FactGrid statements?


=== A multilingual interface to just offer information ===
=== A multilingual interface to just offer information ===
The ideal development would be an additional tab on all wikibase-items. If you search for Johann Sebastian Bach you get a person's page that extracts information from the J.S. Bach data set and through additional searches. Bach's works will be listed on request - not from the information the specific Q-item is providing but from a database search: list all items with Bach as composer. List all documents with J.S. Bach as author. List all documents with J.S. Bach as receiver... Users get these lists only on request. The J.S. Bach display tells us that we can run this search and feed the information under the present header.
The ideal development would be an additional tab on all wikibase-items. If you search for "Johann Sebastian Bach" you get a person's page that extracts information from the J.S. Bach data set and through additional searches. Bach's works will be listed on request - not from the information the specific Q-item is providing but from a database search: list all items with Bach as composer. List all documents with J.S. Bach as author. List all documents with J.S. Bach as receiver... Users get these lists only on request. The J.S. Bach display tells us that we can run this search and feed the information under the present header.


=== An option to feed information into historical maps ===
=== An option to feed information into historical maps ===
One would love to offer links to Gotha addresses of different centuries and decades and one would have to use different maps for this purpose. Gotha today has housing areas for about 50.000 inhabitants. Gotha in 1800 ended basically with the city walls that were just torn down. We do not yet have the expertise to present visual information on maps other than the default Open Street Map interface.
One would love to offer links to Gotha addresses of different centuries and decades and one would have to use different maps for this purpose. Gotha today has housing areas for about 50.000 inhabitants. Gotha in 1800 ended basically with the city walls that were just torn down. We do not yet have the expertise to present visual information on maps other than the default Open Street Map interface.


== Requests for search scripts ==
=== A recipe how to create Info-Boxes based on FactGrid Information ===
=== P88 with P101 ===  
We need these Boxes for pages like this one (imported from our old Wiki): [[Q6611]]. The header information on author, title, source etc., is here handwritten so far. The cool solution will be a standard table with central metadata from the respective data set (of the same Q-number), so that changes of information will only be done in the database and spread from there to pages.
A search that states given names (P88) with the place in sequence (P101) information - in order to replace the P88 string property with 248 item property.


=== Search with descriptions output ===
:Das sollte jemand gut machen können der sich mit MediaWiki Templateprogrammierung und Wikidata auskennt. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
to get all names that do not yet have a description (or that have an insufficient description)
 
=== Organisations that share members ===
It would be interesting to get an idea of organisations and their vicinity or adversity - also: their potential to succeed each other.


== Specific FactGrid wishes ==
== Specific FactGrid wishes ==
=== Logo ===
=== Logo ===
Important in joint ventures.
Important in joint ventures.
[[File:FactGrid-Logo.PNG|600px]]


=== Skin ===
=== Skin ===
Important gain a more independent position in the eyes of university, library and archive people.
Important gain a more independent position in the eyes of university, library and archive people.


=== An interface to move the ''The Gotha Illuminati Research Base'' into the FactGrid ===
We would need someone with Skin expertise...
The ''The Gotha Illuminati Research Base'' https://projekte.uni-erfurt.de/illuminaten/Main_Page  is a conventional media wiki and we should win a superior functionality here on the FactGrid.
 
=== An interface for the ''The Gotha Illuminati Research Base'' into the FactGrid ===
The ''The Gotha Illuminati Research Base'' was/is a conventional media wiki and we should win a superior functionality here on the FactGrid.


=== A clearer idea of how we would like to be quoted ===
=== A clearer idea of how we would like to be quoted ===
FactGrid datasets have specific research statements - but how do we want them to be referred to in footnotes? See [[Item:Q11305]]
FactGrid datasets have specific research statements - but how do we want them to be referred to in footnotes? See [[Item:Q11305]]
=== Website security ===
https://observatory.mozilla.org/analyze/database.factgrid.de : "D-", CSP, HSTS, XFO, XSS missing.
== Data we should like to have ==
* Matrikel of German universities
* Logis-Verzeichnisse Göttinger Studenten (halbjährlich)
== Advice: best practice data structures ==
=== Changing entities and cuts through time ===
The Publishing House of Moritz Georg Weidmann becomes eventually the Olms Verlag - if we treat this as one company - how do we create different references for different times? Books have different imprints decade after decade with changing owners who give the company names. Our system must be able to make sense of practically any imprint - and it should at the same moment understand how the changing imprint information is actually connected to one and the same company. Munich does not have 57 companies from 1500 to 1850 but six under changing names in this genealogy [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchner_Buchhandel_1500%E2%80%931850 Münchner Buchhandel 1500–1850] - and this is an image we want to give on a clear sighted SPARQL-search.
* Should we create different items under each name and state how these items are related?
* Should we create one idem and state the changing names with begin/end information (sound better because a lot of information like the location might be stable)?
The same problem occurs with addresses. A city quarter can be torn down, the new quarter gets old street names - but are these still the same addresses? (They might have new geographic coordinates).
:Daran scheiden sich die Geister... Das ist ein klassisches Ontologieproblem. Man kann es so oder so machen. Denny könnte eine gute Person sein das mal für deinen genauen Fall durchzudiskutieren und zu schauen ob eins mehr Sinn macht. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
=== What should we do with our 1500 transcripts of documents? ===
We have started to put the transcript of [[Item:Q22976]] on [[D-Q22976]]. Was that a good idea? (we want the transcript to appear in full text search), yet we would rather have it on one page with all the meta data.
Could the reasonator (as a standard unser interface) grab transpripts from such wiki pages?
Could we use the Wikisource extension to offer scans side by side?
:Ich kenne mich leider mit Wikisource nicht aus. Tpt (thomas@pellissier-tanon.fr) hat davon und von Wikidata sehr viel Ahnung und kann wahrscheinlich am sinnvollsten was sagen. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]
::Ich würde die Handschriften erst einmal erfassen, zB bei Kalliope. Kalliope wird der
Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin betrieben, also einer "Schwester" des Geheimen Staatsarchivs. Und dort müsste ja ein großes Interesse daran bestehen, das blattweise zu normieren. Deutsche Wikidata wird wegen des hohen dortigen Korrekturstandards nicht gehen, aber eine Factgridsource, warum nicht? Während die deutsche WS auch nur in Ausnahmefällen WS-Anmerkungen in Texten zulässt, könnte man hier ja liberalere Herangehensweisen im Vorfeld diskutieren.--[[User:Martin Gollasch|Martin Gollasch]] ([[User talk:Martin Gollasch|talk]]) 18:17, 19 January 2020 (CET)
=== Scholia ===
Daniel Mietchen hinted at Scholia https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/ and how that could change many of our problems. We could here use a software solution that embeds SPARQL queries. It could also embed the transcripts of texts which we have to present. We would basically decide how many sorts of database objects we have and compose templates of the searches they are supposed to embed. Question remains: who would compose this for us. (On the design front: it is not as cohesive as Magnus Manske's Reasonator.) --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 16:34, 27 November 2018 (CET)
:Sowas sollte jeder vernünftige php coder hinbekommen. --[[User:Lydia Pintscher]]

Latest revision as of 20:24, 26 October 2021

FactGrid:Troubleshooting/archive


Specific problems of our Wikibase Installation

lua not installed

Wikidata has a function that allows quoting items via {{}} template, can we do that as well?

  • We can set a Q123 link (that refers to a non existing page.
  • We can set an Item:Q123 link - and sometimes we get the title on the ink - but not necessarily (works wel after moving a page and ends after saving it again)
  • A {{}} template does not work.
Hast du ein Beispiel auf Wikidata, wo es so funktioniert wie du es haben willst? Dann schau ich es mir an. Das sollte gehen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Time: Hours and Minutes cannot be stated

We could actually give events (like conference papers) on individual days. The software has the option but it does not work in Wikidata or on our platform.

Die Eingabe von genauen Zeiten ist noch nicht möglich weil das eine Menge Komplexität mit Zeitzonen mit sich bringt. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57755 ist das Ticket dafür. Dem müssen wir uns mal annehmen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Time: Format

Currently it says on the bottom of that page "This page was last edited on 6 July 2019, at 18:05." and on in the history "18:05, 6 July 2019" - two different formats no statement found what for. Furthermore in the FG blog and other places formats based on ISO 8601 appear. Proposal: standardize on ISO 8601.

Time: Seconds not shown in page history

In the contributions lists seconds are not shown, so one cannot see in which order edits have been made, even worse, a change that is labeled "current" comes before another one on the same page: 

18:05, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+236)‎ . . FactGrid:Troubleshooting Range ‎ (→‎"Item:Q123" or "Item:123")
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+63)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [en] description: human)
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+64)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [de] description: Mensch) (current)
17:49, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Property talk:P163 ‎ (...)

Wikidata context help when creating an entry not available on FactGrid

Property suggester

Wikidata offers complex context help when users want to create items like a biography - questions one would like to answer as well. Can we have the same?

Da weiß ich nicht, was du meinst leider. --User:Lydia Pintscher
Creating a person on Wikidata, screenshot

Ich gebe hier eine Person ein und Wikidata is in der Lage mir die relevanten nächsten Aussagen vorzuschlagen - das ist eigentlich weit besser als ein Formular zu erstellen (wie wir das zuerst vorhatten). Kann man die Vorschläge lenken? Kann man einen Vorschlagpfad generieren? Wenn Du eine Persion hast, dann geht es mit diesen Fragen los. Wenn die schon beantwortet sind, dann gehe mit folgenden weiter... Bei uns jedenfalls erscheint bei Eröffnung einer neuen Aussage kein Vorschlag in irgendeine Richtung. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:42, 23 May 2019 (CEST)

Commons images not displayed on FactGrid-Item Views

...though we can integrate them in Wiki pages we create - the item-pages won't offer them.

Hast du ein Beispiel das ich mir anschauen kann? --User:Lydia Pintscher
Soll mit dem nächsten Software-Update kommen. --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2020 (CET)

Wikidata has map views on geo-coordinates

would be nice to have these too. --Olaf Simons (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2020 (CET)

Soll mit dem nächsten Software-Update kommen. --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:15, 17 January 2020 (CET)

QuickStatemens

Problems with adding units

qid,P107
Q24,3U164536

error code says it is looking into Wikidata for Q164536. Might be still hard coded.

Open Refine

Seen a demonstration of Open refine and it seems it needs an integration on our wikibase installation before one can use the program to prepare data. Another task for someone with a clearer idea of the installation. --Olaf Simons (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2019 (CEST)

--The reconciliation service of Open refine works with FactGrid. You must install the extension RDF of Open refine ([1]) in your computer and add a SPARQL-reconciliation service for FactGrid (follow the instructions). It is very useful, but unfortunately rather slow, I don't know why. -- Bruno Belhoste (talk) 12:41, 8 May 2020 (CEST)

QueryService related problems

SPARQL Script Requests

QueryService gives January 1 as default answer for full year dates

If we give a full year (e.g. on "date of birth") the Query Service will state January 1 as the date instead of leaving the day and month unspecified.

Das Ticket dazu ist https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159160. Ich weiß leider gerade nicht was da der letzte Diskussionsstand ist. --User:Lydia Pintscher
Date precision still does'nt work on FactGrid QueryService and it's a pity. It's seems to work on Wikidata Queryservice (through time nodes which don't seem to exist in FactGrid). --Bruno Belhoste (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2020 (CEST)

QueryService gives output with wd:Q123 numbers

though the links do actually go into the FactGrid resource. This problem occurs on all levels: our Q-numbers are displayed in SPARQL searches as wd numbers. Tiny-urls open when activated with a Wikidata welcome page before we get the FactGrid results: http://tinyurl.com/y8zwjosq

Der erste Teil ist glaube ich https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194180. Ich habe ein Ticket für den zweiten Teil aufgemacht: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223582. --User:Lydia Pintscher

QueryService example searches are actually Wikidata searches

...and do not help you on our database.

Das ist seit kurzem konfigurierbar. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223586 habe ich aufgemacht um das für Factgrid zu konfigurieren. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Tools/features one would like to have

Our Reasonator as Standard Interface

We would like to offer our Reasonator-Installation as standard interface for people who are just looking for information. So far it does not really seem to work...

One of the problems is that our instance looks for Item:Q969 instead of Q969

Das genannte Problem können wir hoffentlich mit dem Ticket von 2.1. lösen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

A tool to grab and import (selected) Wikidata information

If we have data on a FactGrid Item on Wikidate - could on think of a tool that can be used to grab these data as a set and to convert selected statements into FactGrid statements?

A multilingual interface to just offer information

The ideal development would be an additional tab on all wikibase-items. If you search for "Johann Sebastian Bach" you get a person's page that extracts information from the J.S. Bach data set and through additional searches. Bach's works will be listed on request - not from the information the specific Q-item is providing but from a database search: list all items with Bach as composer. List all documents with J.S. Bach as author. List all documents with J.S. Bach as receiver... Users get these lists only on request. The J.S. Bach display tells us that we can run this search and feed the information under the present header.

An option to feed information into historical maps

One would love to offer links to Gotha addresses of different centuries and decades and one would have to use different maps for this purpose. Gotha today has housing areas for about 50.000 inhabitants. Gotha in 1800 ended basically with the city walls that were just torn down. We do not yet have the expertise to present visual information on maps other than the default Open Street Map interface.

A recipe how to create Info-Boxes based on FactGrid Information

We need these Boxes for pages like this one (imported from our old Wiki): Q6611. The header information on author, title, source etc., is here handwritten so far. The cool solution will be a standard table with central metadata from the respective data set (of the same Q-number), so that changes of information will only be done in the database and spread from there to pages.

Das sollte jemand gut machen können der sich mit MediaWiki Templateprogrammierung und Wikidata auskennt. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Specific FactGrid wishes

Important in joint ventures.

Error creating thumbnail: Unable to save thumbnail to destination

Skin

Important gain a more independent position in the eyes of university, library and archive people.

We would need someone with Skin expertise...

An interface for the The Gotha Illuminati Research Base into the FactGrid

The The Gotha Illuminati Research Base was/is a conventional media wiki and we should win a superior functionality here on the FactGrid.

A clearer idea of how we would like to be quoted

FactGrid datasets have specific research statements - but how do we want them to be referred to in footnotes? See Item:Q11305

Website security

https://observatory.mozilla.org/analyze/database.factgrid.de : "D-", CSP, HSTS, XFO, XSS missing.

Data we should like to have

  • Matrikel of German universities
  • Logis-Verzeichnisse Göttinger Studenten (halbjährlich)

Advice: best practice data structures

Changing entities and cuts through time

The Publishing House of Moritz Georg Weidmann becomes eventually the Olms Verlag - if we treat this as one company - how do we create different references for different times? Books have different imprints decade after decade with changing owners who give the company names. Our system must be able to make sense of practically any imprint - and it should at the same moment understand how the changing imprint information is actually connected to one and the same company. Munich does not have 57 companies from 1500 to 1850 but six under changing names in this genealogy Münchner Buchhandel 1500–1850 - and this is an image we want to give on a clear sighted SPARQL-search.

  • Should we create different items under each name and state how these items are related?
  • Should we create one idem and state the changing names with begin/end information (sound better because a lot of information like the location might be stable)?

The same problem occurs with addresses. A city quarter can be torn down, the new quarter gets old street names - but are these still the same addresses? (They might have new geographic coordinates).

Daran scheiden sich die Geister... Das ist ein klassisches Ontologieproblem. Man kann es so oder so machen. Denny könnte eine gute Person sein das mal für deinen genauen Fall durchzudiskutieren und zu schauen ob eins mehr Sinn macht. --User:Lydia Pintscher

What should we do with our 1500 transcripts of documents?

We have started to put the transcript of Item:Q22976 on D-Q22976. Was that a good idea? (we want the transcript to appear in full text search), yet we would rather have it on one page with all the meta data.


Could the reasonator (as a standard unser interface) grab transpripts from such wiki pages?

Could we use the Wikisource extension to offer scans side by side?

Ich kenne mich leider mit Wikisource nicht aus. Tpt (thomas@pellissier-tanon.fr) hat davon und von Wikidata sehr viel Ahnung und kann wahrscheinlich am sinnvollsten was sagen. --User:Lydia Pintscher
Ich würde die Handschriften erst einmal erfassen, zB bei Kalliope. Kalliope wird der

Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin betrieben, also einer "Schwester" des Geheimen Staatsarchivs. Und dort müsste ja ein großes Interesse daran bestehen, das blattweise zu normieren. Deutsche Wikidata wird wegen des hohen dortigen Korrekturstandards nicht gehen, aber eine Factgridsource, warum nicht? Während die deutsche WS auch nur in Ausnahmefällen WS-Anmerkungen in Texten zulässt, könnte man hier ja liberalere Herangehensweisen im Vorfeld diskutieren.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:17, 19 January 2020 (CET)

Scholia

Daniel Mietchen hinted at Scholia https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/ and how that could change many of our problems. We could here use a software solution that embeds SPARQL queries. It could also embed the transcripts of texts which we have to present. We would basically decide how many sorts of database objects we have and compose templates of the searches they are supposed to embed. Question remains: who would compose this for us. (On the design front: it is not as cohesive as Magnus Manske's Reasonator.) --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2018 (CET)

Sowas sollte jeder vernünftige php coder hinbekommen. --User:Lydia Pintscher
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