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::Hi Adam see here [https://database.factgrid.de/w/index.php?title=Item%3AQ404892&type=revision&diff=6208599&oldid=6208395 where I shifted the link to the proper place] --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 08:45, 6 April 2023 (CEST)
::Hi Adam see here [https://database.factgrid.de/w/index.php?title=Item%3AQ404892&type=revision&diff=6208599&oldid=6208395 where I shifted the link to the proper place] --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 08:45, 6 April 2023 (CEST)
::The challenge I have is adding these Wikidata Q-ids using the API. Also the P771 statement is the only way I know to get the Wikidata link as a statement that can be queried with SparQL... I asked Timo about this and he doesn't know how to do this either. Perhaps it is safer to keep the Wikidata qid in the P771 statement, while also putting the link in 'Other sites' as well?


== Room number ==
== Room number ==
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Hi Adam, I shifted [[Property:P1031]] to P1144 to get it under the Monolingual text type which allows us to give several translations (into separable languages) --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (CEST)
Hi Adam, I shifted [[Property:P1031]] to P1144 to get it under the Monolingual text type which allows us to give several translations (into separable languages) --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (CEST)
Hi Olaf! I see what you mean, that makes good sense.
== perhaps a weird question ==
Hi Adam! Is there a known Cuneiform cookbook on tiles? If so, are there pics with corresponding translations accessable for us?--[[User:Martin Gollasch|Martin Gollasch]] ([[User talk:Martin Gollasch|talk]]) 22:24, 22 July 2024 (CEST)
:Hi Martin! I'm not sure what you mean by 'cookbook' or 'tiles' perhaps you mean, if there is an online resource for the published 'tablets'? The CDLI is the main website with tablet images: https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/
:I have found that the word 'tile' is used when antiquities dealers are trying to circumvent the customs checkpoints. Also, if I'm missing your question please feel free to email me anytime!
::I think Martin was actually on a quest for advice he could use in his personal kitchen. We have a new project on early modern practical books in which cooking books play a substantial if not delicious role. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 17:34, 1 August 2024 (CEST)
::That makes more sense, in that case there are a number of cuneiform texts about cooking, see here for example: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3209946?origin=JSTOR-pdf
:Olaf, you are right. I was wondering, if we might get a suspense on cooking issues, which covers the whole FactGrid project, since food concerns everyone. Just as an further option in public relations... So we wait for the first delicious Item on a Cuneiform recipe illustrated with a picture of the tablet/tile. And when we have a proper translation into English or German we look for a professional kitchen for a nice online-event...--[[User:Martin Gollasch|Martin Gollasch]] ([[User talk:Martin Gollasch|talk]]) 18:19, 1 August 2024 (CEST)
== Gregorian calendar first date P289 ==
is a very special property: If you have a territory or city you note when they introduces the Gregorian calendar (so that you know how to register dates of documents produced here before or after that date). --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 09:21, 19 September 2024 (CEST)
: Thanks Olaf, I'll make the change to Date of publication (https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P222)

Latest revision as of 18:20, 19 September 2024

Creating Accounts

Hi Adam, just briefly a word about account names. We usually take the name as people would use it on a publication. It can have middle names or the initial of a middle name (with a dot) and it will have blanks (or dashes) between the components.

I also create Database objects for anyone on the database. This is the list:

The database objects are useful since we allow people to connect statements to their persons - like in an "autopsy" Statement: "I have seen this unique document in a private collection". in this case they will user their personal Database object to refer to. Creating the database items for the participants takes more time than to open an account - accounts are generated (as you have seen) in a matter of seconds on the create account menu. --Olaf Simons (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2021 (CEST)

Iberian Places

Just briefly. It looks as is Wikidata has unnecessary objects which we can/should filter out by focusing on the INA IDs - bt which to keep? the lower numbers of two with the same municipality code, so it seems. Let me clean that list before we do the input, since we will have some stupid matching problems otherwise. (The French places were easier to run a clean input...) --Olaf Simons (talk) 00:51, 27 September 2021 (CEST)

Akkadian language

The general terms human, place etc. might be better preserved in English. You will want names and particular professions and positions in Akkadian and explained in English - so the Akkadian place name and the English answer instance of place. Test a handful of people, particular hierarchical positions, and historical places to get the interesting reading. --Olaf Simons (talk) 23:03, 5 October 2021 (CEST)

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages how to get more languages for monolingual texts.

VIAF

Hi Adam, is http://www.viaf.org/viaf/7349082/#Anderson,_Adam_L._1978- your authority file? It is from Brigham Young University 2004, but another middle initial...--Martin Gollasch (talk) 11:47, 6 October 2021 (CEST)

on second thought - another one... --Olaf Simons (talk) 12:36, 6 October 2021 (CEST)

Hi Martin, that's not me. For better or worse, there are many homonyms for Adam Anderson. --Adam Anderson (talk) 11:14, 31 March 2023 (EST)

I see you managed

...and I am back to life with new loads on my shoulders. --Olaf Simons (talk) 17:07, 31 March 2023 (CEST)

Here a sample letter Item:Q3829 --Olaf Simons (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2023 (CEST)

Q500000

as a female bio with several links is a good topic for our social media channels as an "item milestone" of FactGrid and a preview of your project. Perhaps with two maps: the ancient sites and the places of world wide storage today... what do you think, Adam?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 08:54, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

yes, that sounds like a good idea to me. I have finished added all the ancient sites (where cuneiform inscriptions have been located), but I still need to add the museums where they are currently stored today. If I understand you right, Martin, would that get us the two maps you mentioned?

if all the museums have coordinates, yes. I did the Vorderasiatisches in Berlin for you today... And is there a picture of a cuneiform related to Q500000 at Commons or can it be provided under proper license?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

Ok, I'll add the rest of the museums (and coordinates), they are all in Wikidata already so they all have coordinates for sure.

Item for "Administrative tablet" for P2-use in BIN 4, 10 (Q499882) ?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

Sorry for the confusion, BIN 4, 10 (Q499882) was mislabeled in another database (CDLI) as an 'administrative tablet', but it is in fact a letter

Item for "Letter tablet" in ICK 4 - I 437 (Q499899) --Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:20, 5 April 2023 (CEST)
Is Lamassī (Q506672) the mother of the 5 children of her husband?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

This is a good question, as the husband of Lamassī may have had two wives, it is a little unclear which of the children belong to which mother, but I can resolve this for Ahaha at least.

The second wive of Pūšu-kēn (Q506676) is missing in his Bio. If there ist no name of her, I suggest that we define her by [N.N. wife of Pūšu-kēn], if it is known who was first or the second wife, we would state that on the husbands Item with Pos 1 resp. Pos 2 as qualification. That would self explanatory for the open question of motherhood. He died presuambly at 20 leaving 2 wifes and at least five children. That is a possible but a tight schedule, except the childs were from both wifes as mothers ?!--Martin Gollasch (talk) 21:11, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

I see, thanks for the help with this. Now that I think about it, it would be better to list all the children of Pūšu-kēn and Lamassī, since the second wife came later. I'll add that shortly. As for the dates for these people, we NEVER know the birthdate. All we have for dates are when they are active in the archive and sometimes when they die. So I can say for certain when Pūšu-kēn dies, but not when he is born...

Thats the good thing about DH: Edit first, filter later... ;-) --Martin Gollasch (talk) 21:34, 5 April 2023 (CEST)
new: Clay tablet (Q512006) linked to Commons:Cat with the media stored there... You should perhaps consider a format giving an idea of the size and the circumstances of the found (year, expedition)--Martin Gollasch (talk) 08:19, 8 April 2023 (CEST)
British Museum Department of the Middle East (Q512020) with link to the relevant commonscats...--Martin Gollasch (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2023 (CEST)

Wikidata Item (P771)

Adam, I noticed you always save the wd:QNr with P771. I don't understand the purpose yet, since we usally we scroll to the bottom of the page an insert under "Other sites" on the left a "w" for Wikidata and the QNr in the next field. You were at the BnF-item, which now has both variants. If you have it at the bottom of the page, it definetely avoids dublettes in FacctGrid. Don't if this service works with P771, but I am willing to learn, if there is a special purpose for P771.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 21:34, 5 April 2023 (CEST)

Yes, Olaf mentioned this property to me and I've been using it because it is easy to request in a query. I'm not sure how to query for the corresponding wikidata / wikipedia embedded links, but I imagine there's a way...

Hi Adam see here where I shifted the link to the proper place --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:45, 6 April 2023 (CEST)
The challenge I have is adding these Wikidata Q-ids using the API. Also the P771 statement is the only way I know to get the Wikidata link as a statement that can be queried with SparQL... I asked Timo about this and he doesn't know how to do this either. Perhaps it is safer to keep the Wikidata qid in the P771 statement, while also putting the link in 'Other sites' as well?

Room number

did you consider to define that property as real numbers? The sort differently. I use strings only if the numbers have alphanumerical ingredients. --Olaf Simons (talk) 23:41, 30 March 2024 (CET)

Yes, unfortunately there is a lack of consistency in the databases, which reflects the lack of consistency between archaeological excavations. Sometimes these numbers are alphanumerical and other times they are strings.
Well, then you picked the right type. Already recommended to Timo to use these numbers as Qualifiers - and his solution is looking good. --Olaf Simons (talk) 19:50, 1 April 2024 (CEST)

Literal translation

Hi Adam, I shifted Property:P1031 to P1144 to get it under the Monolingual text type which allows us to give several translations (into separable languages) --Olaf Simons (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (CEST)

Hi Olaf! I see what you mean, that makes good sense.

perhaps a weird question

Hi Adam! Is there a known Cuneiform cookbook on tiles? If so, are there pics with corresponding translations accessable for us?--Martin Gollasch (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2024 (CEST)

Hi Martin! I'm not sure what you mean by 'cookbook' or 'tiles' perhaps you mean, if there is an online resource for the published 'tablets'? The CDLI is the main website with tablet images: https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/
I have found that the word 'tile' is used when antiquities dealers are trying to circumvent the customs checkpoints. Also, if I'm missing your question please feel free to email me anytime!
I think Martin was actually on a quest for advice he could use in his personal kitchen. We have a new project on early modern practical books in which cooking books play a substantial if not delicious role. --Olaf Simons (talk) 17:34, 1 August 2024 (CEST)
That makes more sense, in that case there are a number of cuneiform texts about cooking, see here for example: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3209946?origin=JSTOR-pdf
Olaf, you are right. I was wondering, if we might get a suspense on cooking issues, which covers the whole FactGrid project, since food concerns everyone. Just as an further option in public relations... So we wait for the first delicious Item on a Cuneiform recipe illustrated with a picture of the tablet/tile. And when we have a proper translation into English or German we look for a professional kitchen for a nice online-event...--Martin Gollasch (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2024 (CEST)

Gregorian calendar first date P289

is a very special property: If you have a territory or city you note when they introduces the Gregorian calendar (so that you know how to register dates of documents produced here before or after that date). --Olaf Simons (talk) 09:21, 19 September 2024 (CEST)

Thanks Olaf, I'll make the change to Date of publication (https://database.factgrid.de/wiki/Property:P222)