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Advice: best practice data structures

Repeated information - avoid it or go for it?

We have some 7000 documents in the database. Each document has an author, most documents have recipients and most documents mention other persons.

Organising Bode's data set Item:Q133: Should we list all these documents in three sections? It might be interesting to do this because this is the point at which we show that we have far more information on the man than any other database.

We should otherwise not be to eager to begin this because this was the reason why we left the Wiki and went for the database: We do not want to constantly mirror information in various data sets. We do not want the user to keep in mind on which pages a certain fact has to be mirrored.

The ideal situation is that we have every fact only once in the database - and that we fill pages of information with asking the database to tell us. A data sheet on Bode should have a section "Bode as author" and a section with "Bode mentioned" and a section with "Bode as receiver". The visitor gets the full list of documents on each request. (I was tempted to offer a SPARQL link for ach question...)

One could think of the Reasonator (or an equivalent) asking the right questions. (Documents would in this case be our primary source material to explore by the database when asked about a person or an event).

In diesem Fall würde ich die Information nicht duplizieren. Das wird zu viel und nicht gut wartbar. Eine elegante Lösung könnte ein Gadget sein das die Ergebnisse einer Abfrage in die Item-Seite integriert wenn ihr das da zeigen wollt. Das müsste jemand coden. Es gibt ein Gadget auf Wikidata das in die Richtung geht. Du kannst es in deinen Einstellungen anstellen. Es heißt Easy Query. Wenn es angestellt ist bekommst du so 3 graue Punkte in Statements. Wenn du da drauf klickst geht ein kleines Queryergebnis auf.

Membership information: How should we organise this?- create special Q-items? create more and more P-Numbers?

We have about 1350 with an Illuminati background. A simple membership list would be stupid. We know of some 1350 people that they were proposed. Some 1200 signed a declaration of loyalty. Some climbed into higher ranks.

One way to organise this is by creating a Q-Item for "regular events" - that is for events many people can go through - like signing the declaration:

The grammar is Q [Person] P91 (Affilliations) Q38780 (signed a Revers for the Illuminati)

This is the option to put the load on a singe P and to create masses of Qs for this P but one could just as well create a regular triple with Q (Person) P (signed a Revers for) Q10677 (Order of the Illuminati) - which would open the door to millions of P-statements.

Both options can be substantiated with the same qualifiers.

Which is the better system to organise and to search with SPARQL? (Our present solution has the beauty of keeping all kinds of membership information in one block. We can do the same with jobs and family relationships - and depart from Wikidata).

Ich verstehe die Daten noch nicht ganz. Kannst du mir 3 Beispiele mit allen Daten geben die das Statement deiner Meinung nach haben sollte? --User:Lydia Pintscher

Changing entities and cuts through time

The Publishing House of Moritz Georg Weidmann becomes eventually the Olms Verlag - if we treat this as one company - how do we create different references for different times? Books have different imprints decade after decade with changing owners who give the company names. Our system must be able to make sense of practically any imprint - and it should at the same moment understand how the changing imprint information is actually connected to one and the same company. Munich does not have 57 companies from 1500 to 1850 but six under changing names in this genealogy Münchner Buchhandel 1500–1850 - and this is an image we want to give on a clear sighted SPARQL-search.

  • Should we create different items under each name and state how these items are related?
  • Should we create one idem and state the changing names with begin/end information (sound better because a lot of information like the location might be stable)?

The same problem occurs with addresses. A city quarter can be torn down, the new quarter gets old street names - but are these still the same addresses? (They might have new geographic coordinates).

Daran scheiden sich die Geister... Das ist ein klassisches Ontologieproblem. Man kann es so oder so machen. Denny könnte eine gute Person sein das mal für deinen genauen Fall durchzudiskutieren und zu schauen ob eins mehr Sinn macht. --User:Lydia Pintscher

What should we do with our 1500 transcripts of documents?

We have started to put the transcript of Item:Q22976 on D-Q22976. Was that a good idea? (we want the transcript to appear in full text search), yet we would rather have it on one page with all the meta data.

Could the reasonator (as a standard unser interface) grab transpripts from such wiki pages?

Could we use the Wikisource extension to offer scans side by side?

Ich kenne mich leider mit Wikisource nicht aus. Tpt (thomas@pellissier-tanon.fr) hat davon und von Wikidata sehr viel Ahnung und kann wahrscheinlich am sinnvollsten was sagen. --User:Lydia Pintscher


Daniel Mietchen hinted at Scholia https://tools.wmflabs.org/scholia/ and how that could change many of our problems. We could here use a software solution that embeds SPARQL queries. It could also embed the transcripts of texts which we have to present. We would basically decide how many sorts of database objects we have and compose templates of the searches they are supposed to embed. Question remains: who would compose this for us. (On the design front: it is not as cohesive as Magnus Manske's Reasonator.) --Olaf Simons (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2018 (CET)

Sowas sollte jeder vernünftige php coder hinbekommen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Specific problems of our Wikibase Installation

"Item:Q123" or direct "Q123"

Unlike Wikidata FactGrid states Items as "Item:" in the URL. This might be the cause of incompatibilities as we see them in our Reasonator interface. (Reasonator apparently expects the Q123 link where we have the "Item"-link

Dafür habe ich dir ein Ticket aufgemacht: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223548 --User:Lydia Pintscher

"Item:Q123" or "Item:123"

The "Q" is present in every item ID and therefore does not contain extra information. It should probably be removed. Also, it would be easier for international use to only have numbers in the item ID.

GND Identifiers do not link

See Item:Q133. Why does the GND number not linkt to the GND as in Wikidata?

We have the same problem with PND book numbers that should refer into to GBV catalogue.

Dafür habe ich dir ein Ticket aufgemacht: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223552 --User:Lydia Pintscher

Wikidata has a function that allows quoting items via {{}} template, can we do that as well?

  • We can set a Q123 link (that refers to a non existing page.
  • We can set an Item:Q123 link - and sometimes we get the title on the ink - but not necessarily (works wel after moving a page and ends after saving it again)
  • A {{}} template does not work.
Hast du ein Beispiel auf Wikidata, wo es so funktioniert wie du es haben willst? Dann schau ich es mir an. Das sollte gehen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Description 250 character limit

Many imports failed since they had descriptions of more than 250 signs. Daniel Mietchen said we can modify the character limits on our own Wikibase instance - would be good to allow perhaps 500-1000 characters.

Die Descriptions sind vor allem zur Disambiguierung gedacht zum Beispiel im Suchfeld rechts oben oder wenn du ein anderes Item in einem Statement verlinkst um sicherzustellen dass du den richtigen Fritz Müller auswählst wenn es 10 davon gibt. Deshalb sind die sehr kurz gehalten und die Beschränkung ist von unserer Seite aus gewollt bisher. Kannst du etwas genauer erklären was du machen willst mit den Descriptions und was da rein soll? Vielleicht ist es besser als ein Statement aufgehoben aber das kann ich noch nicht sagen.
Soweit ich weiß ist das im Moment nicht konfigurierbar. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Time: Hours and Minutes cannot be stated

We could actually give events (like conference papers) on individual days. The software has the option but it does not work in Wikidata or on our platform.

Die Eingabe von genauen Zeiten ist noch nicht möglich weil das eine Menge Komplexität mit Zeitzonen mit sich bringt. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T57755 ist das Ticket dafür. Dem müssen wir uns mal annehmen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Time: Format

Currently it says on the bottom of that page "This page was last edited on 6 July 2019, at 18:05." and on in the history "18:05, 6 July 2019" - two different formats no statement found what for. Furthermore in the FG blog and other places formats based on ISO 8601 appear. Proposal: standardize on ISO 8601.

Time: Seconds not shown in page history

In the contributions lists seconds are not shown, so one cannot see in which order edits have been made, even worse, a change that is labeled "current" comes before another one on the same page:

18:05, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+236)‎ . . FactGrid:Troubleshooting Range ‎ (→‎"Item:Q123" or "Item:123")
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+63)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [en] description: human)
17:50, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+64)‎ . . Example (Q...) ‎ (‎Added [de] description: Mensch) (current)
17:49, 6 July 2019 (diff | hist) . . (+1)‎ . . Property talk:P163 ‎ (...)

pdf and other uploads

that should be a switch in the LocalSettings but might also be a database issue to be resolved in Erfurt:

Uploads fail with this note >Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/6/65/test.jpg".<

Bin nicht sicher was da das Problem ist. Da kannst du Lucas glaube ich kurz ansprechen und ihn fragen ob das was ist was im Rechenzentrum gemacht werden muss oder in den Einstellungen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Wikidata context help when creating an entry not available on FactGrid

Wikidata offers complex context help when users want to create items like a biography - questions one would like to answer as well. Can we have the same?

Da weiß ich nicht was du meinst leider. --User:Lydia Pintscher
Creating a person on Wikidata, screenshot

Ich gebe hier eine Person ein und Wikidata is in der Lage mir die relevanten nächsten Aussagen vorzuschlagen - das ist eigentlich weit besser als ein Formular zu erstellen (wie wir das zuerst vorhatten). Kann man die Vorschläge lenken? Kann man einen Vorschlagpfad generieren? Wenn Du eine Persion hast, dann geht es mit diesen Fragen los. Wenn die schon beantwortet sind, dann gehe mit folgenden weiter... Bei uns jedenfalls erscheint bei Eröffnung einer neuen Aussage kein Vorschlag in irgendeine Richtung. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:42, 23 May 2019 (CEST)

Commons images not displayed on FactGrid-Item Views

...though we can integrate them in Wiki pages we create - the item-pages won't offer them.

Hast du ein Beispiel das ich mir anschauen kann? --User:Lydia Pintscher

Foreign Language Labels

Our database is on English as the default language. Those who feed data into the base are - presently - mostly German. An English label is visible and searchable in German. Can we have the same additionally vice versa: i.e. that a missing English label is automatically substituted by an existing German label?

Da bin ich mir nicht sicher. Muss ich rausfinden. --User:Lydia Pintscher

QueryService related problems

SPARQL Script Requests

QueryService gives January 1 as default answer for full year dates

If we give a full year (e.g. on "date of birth") the Query Service will state January 1 as the date instead of leaving the day and month unspecified.

Das Ticket dazu ist https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159160. Ich weiß leider gerade nicht was da der letzte Diskussionsstand ist. --User:Lydia Pintscher

QueryService gives output with wd:Q123 numbers

though the links do actually go into the FactGrid resource. This problem occurs on all levels: our Q-numbers are displayed in SPARQL searches as wd numbers. Tiny-urls open when activated with a Wikidata welcome page before we get the FactGrid results: http://tinyurl.com/y8zwjosq

Der erste Teil ist glaube ich https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T194180. Ich habe ein Ticket für den zweiten Teil aufgemacht: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223582. --User:Lydia Pintscher

QueryService example searches are actually Wikidata searches

...and do not help you on our database.

Das ist seit kurzem konfigurierbar. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T223586 habe ich aufgemacht um das für Factgrid zu konfigurieren. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Weird Results No.1

The following search should show us where Gotha's bakers were living

works fine with the master bakers but here the same on merchants with a totally messy result...

Ich habe keine Ahnung. Lucas könnte helfen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Weird Results No.2

We are trying to step from "given names" as string Property:P88 to given names as individual items Property:P248. In order to get the names which we have to change we need a search for all P88 names with place in sequence information Property:P101 information. Our searches fail:

Ich habe keine Ahnung. Lucas könnte helfen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Tools/features one would like to have

Our Reasonator as Standard Interface

We would like to offer our Reasonator-Installation as standard interface for people who are just looking for information. So far it does not really seem to work...

One of the problems is that our instance looks for Item:Q969 instead of Q969

Das genannte Problem können wir hoffentlich mit dem Ticket von 2.1. lösen. --User:Lydia Pintscher

A tool to grab and import (selected) Wikidata information

If we have data on a FactGrid Item on Wikidate - could on think of a tool that can be used to grab these data as a set and to convert selected statements into FactGrid statements?

A multilingual interface to just offer information

The ideal development would be an additional tab on all wikibase-items. If you search for "Johann Sebastian Bach" you get a person's page that extracts information from the J.S. Bach data set and through additional searches. Bach's works will be listed on request - not from the information the specific Q-item is providing but from a database search: list all items with Bach as composer. List all documents with J.S. Bach as author. List all documents with J.S. Bach as receiver... Users get these lists only on request. The J.S. Bach display tells us that we can run this search and feed the information under the present header.

An option to feed information into historical maps

One would love to offer links to Gotha addresses of different centuries and decades and one would have to use different maps for this purpose. Gotha today has housing areas for about 50.000 inhabitants. Gotha in 1800 ended basically with the city walls that were just torn down. We do not yet have the expertise to present visual information on maps other than the default Open Street Map interface.

A recipe how to create Info-Boxes based on FactGrid Information

We need these Boxes for pages like this one (imported from our old Wiki): Q6611. The header information on author, title, source etc., is here handwritten so far. The cool solution will be a standard table with central metadata from the respective data set (of the same Q-number), so that changes of information will only be done in the database and spread from there to pages.

Das sollte jemand gut machen können der sich mit MediaWiki Templateprogrammierung und Wikidata auskennt. --User:Lydia Pintscher

Requests for search scripts

Organisations that share members

It would be interesting to get an idea of organisations and their vicinity or adversity - also: their potential to succeed each other.

Cumulative personal Timeline

A cumulative timeline that which pieces together all the information we have on a person: Documents by this person per day, letters sent to this person, mentionings, meetings he/she took part in, events he/she witnessed etc.

Specific FactGrid wishes

Important in joint ventures.



Important gain a more independent position in the eyes of university, library and archive people.

We would need someone with Skin expertise...

An interface to move the The Gotha Illuminati Research Base into the FactGrid

The The Gotha Illuminati Research Base was/is a conventional media wiki and we should win a superior functionality here on the FactGrid.

A clearer idea of how we would like to be quoted

FactGrid datasets have specific research statements - but how do we want them to be referred to in footnotes? See Item:Q11305

Website security

https://observatory.mozilla.org/analyze/database.factgrid.de : "D-", CSP, HSTS, XFO, XSS missing.

Data we should like to have

  • Matrikel of German universities
  • Logis-Verzeichnisse Göttinger Studenten (halbjährlich)