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Here again I am at al loss. Andreas pleaded for separate items for the '''organisations''' and the '''systems''' - is it good to separate them? (Yes, in case a system is implemented by several organisations...) yet I feel this is not exactly a list Freemasons would create the same way. We have to teach FactGrid to give consistent lists... --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 08:51, 20 November 2020 (CET) | Here again I am at al loss. Andreas pleaded for separate items for the '''organisations''' and the '''systems''' - is it good to separate them? (Yes, in case a system is implemented by several organisations...) yet I feel this is not exactly a list Freemasons would create the same way. We have to teach FactGrid to give consistent lists... --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] ([[User talk:Olaf Simons|talk]]) 08:51, 20 November 2020 (CET) | ||
== Stupid SPARQL searches == | |||
* [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20%3FPers%20%3FPersLabel%20%3FPersDescription%20%3FDate%20%3FOrg%20%3FOrgLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%20%20%3FPers%20wdt%3AP447%20wd%3AQ145063.%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FPers%20%28p%3AP447%2Fpq%3AP49%29%20%3FDate.%20%7D%0A%20%20OPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3FPers%20%28p%3AP447%2Fpq%3AP66%29%20%3FOrg.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%28%3FDate%29 all people who received the 4° degree, date? organisation?] here I have people in several like [[Item:Q140]] probably because I do not manage to say "Qualifiers only on the the 4° statement] | |||
* [https://database.factgrid.de/query/#SELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fpers%20%3FpersLabel%20%3Fdegree%20%3FdegreeLabel%20%3Fdate%20%3Fby%20%3FbyLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fpers%20p%3AP447%20%3Ffm.%0A%20%20%3Ffm%20ps%3AP447%20%3Fdegree%3B%0A%20%20%20%20pq%3AP49%20%3Fdate%3B%0A%20%20%20%20pq%3AP66%20%3Fby.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D%0AORDER%20BY%20%28%3Fdate%29 all people with Masonic degrees, granted when? and granted by whom?] incomplete, it should have people like [[Item:Q176441]] included |
Revision as of 11:49, 20 November 2020
FactGrid properties for all things masonic
This is a FactGrid search of all the properties that are in use for particular masonic statements. I am not quite sure whether they are well collected. Some might actually mean similar things, some might need a better description of their use.
Why is this work interesting? Basically to run complex queries on how lodges, systems, rights etc. are interconnected. If we will end up with 50,000 lodges (we are presently at 860) we will need good ideas of their connections.
This is a query of all the lodges with some of the information captured.
Stemma information
If we have documents on rites and degrees we can bring them into complex connections. That involves only two properties:
- preceding in stemma (Property:P233) and the qualifier
- connection in stemma (Property:P234)
The complex thing is here the list of possible connections between two rites or degree texts. Basic statements will be
Item:Q11178 copy Item:Q23317 translation into German Item:Q23320 abridgment Item:Q11182 extract ... see Property:P234 for more
We will need more statements to make more statements about how two texts are genetically interrelated. The perspective is always stemma upwards from the new version to the source. --Olaf Simons (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2019 (CET)
Wikimedia on Masonic Buildings
- Wikidata folgt Wikipedia. Und dort haben Vereine eine schweren Stand, Logenhäuser als Denkmale gehen eher: Wiki likes Monuments. Die Verbindung läuft also oft über die Liegenschaft (Eigentum, Anschrift), siehe https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8610826 --Martin Gollasch (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2019 (CEST)
Degrees
Dear Joe, Andreas and others.
Andreas and Joe, you have both given me - structurally - very similar c. 1800 list to feed into FactGrid. Andreas's List has all 4296 Swedish Freemasons 1735-1800, Joe's list has 34+15 visitors of a single lodge. Both lists give the people top down and dates when they received ever higher degrees from left to right:
- Nils Petter Sundius, Provincial Matrikel över samtliga uti IX. Frimurare Provinsen uti 18de Seculum Google Sheet
- Albany Lodge of Perfection Roster 1767-1774 Google Sheet
My question is: what items do we create for the degrees and how universal are they? This is FactGrid on the question of degrees we know of right now:
is this a list a mason would create?
Andreas gave me his wish for the Swedes to be presented in the Swedish Rite item Item:Q183726, We had a similar list for the Scottish Rite Item:Q99749 which I have now used for Joe's List (just 4° because I was not quite sure).
I can now ask FactGrid for all people of a certain degree. This is my List for all people with the "4° Secret Master Masonic degree" Item:Q145063
Weimar and Albany masons are here in the same list. Is the last list correct? Should they be in different lists? Is it correct that Andreas' Swedish 4° people are in their own list? I am not enough of a Masonic researcher to decide how we should organise these lists. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:51, 20 November 2020 (CET)
Masonic systems
This list give you all the masonic systems
Here again I am at al loss. Andreas pleaded for separate items for the organisations and the systems - is it good to separate them? (Yes, in case a system is implemented by several organisations...) yet I feel this is not exactly a list Freemasons would create the same way. We have to teach FactGrid to give consistent lists... --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:51, 20 November 2020 (CET)
Stupid SPARQL searches
- all people who received the 4° degree, date? organisation? here I have people in several like Item:Q140 probably because I do not manage to say "Qualifiers only on the the 4° statement]
- all people with Masonic degrees, granted when? and granted by whom? incomplete, it should have people like Item:Q176441 included