FactGrid:Natus-Denatus
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So far we have a relative stable standard of descriptions in our headers of persons:
* 1902 Lahr, + 1988 Heidelberg, German businessman and mechanical engineer
The + replaces a † and is primarily practical as it does not require a special character. Usual keyboards can handle the sign.
The cross is not exactly nice where we are dealing with people of non-Christian traditions, but it also has disadvantages as soon as a description starts with the sign (where we only have the date of death). Importing such field information into Google sheets causes errors, as the spreadsheet software will immediately start to calculate on the initial plus sign.
The long dash (– or —) could be alternatives to mark a life-span but it is not a good option if we have to start an entry with the date of death, nor are the dashes - as special characters - user friendly.
The Latin use of natus/denatus made me think of an using two ** vor denatus:
* 1902 Lahr, ** 1988 Heidelberg, German businessman and mechanical engineer
here the dataset of Felix Wankel as a test case: Item:Q876405. Looking at it I feel that users would quickly get the convention. Stepping into Jewish and Muslin cultural contexts I feel that we might be well advised to set a more neutral standard - and the two ** would be friendly in Google spreadsheets. You views would be welcome. --Olaf Simons (talk) 13:10, 15 March 2024 (CET)
Views
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- neutral Die Rotanotarin ist peinlich genug. Wir sollten uns nicht verbiegen und gewisse Dinge einfach dem Feingefühl der Autoren hier, die alle erwachsen sind, überlassen. */+ sind eingeführte Kürzel und natürlich lasse ich persönlich die bei bestimmten Personen schlicht weg. Aber es besteht schlichtweg kein Grund kulturell bewährtes in der zutreffenden Form aus Gründen der Gleichmacherei zu ändern. Es ist schlichtweg ein genealogisches Zeichen, welches heute über seinen christlichen Ursprung hinaus gewachsen ist.--Martin Gollasch (talk) 16:03, 15 March 2024 (CET)